SIDDLEY / CHEESEBROUGH

[ladylooker]

Hello All,

Just wondering whether any one had any information on a Nathaniel Siddeley from the Newton - le -Willows area circa 1920's/30's. I believe he may have been connected with the railways but not sure how accurate this information is.

I am also interested in finding out any information on the Cheesebrough family around this time. I believe they lived down Crow Lane East in a cottage, Beatrice Cheesebrough & Florence were sisters, I believe there were three sisters. .Beatrice would have been approx 26 in 1936 and was an opera singer.

I hope to hear from anybody that can offer any information.

Thanks,

Helen

[Kirsty]

Hi Helen,

Found the following for you on the 1911 census (not sure if you'll have accessed this already);

14 Wargrave Road, Newton-le-Willows
Thomas Cheesbrough - Head - 32 (1879) - Chip Potato Maker Dealer - Born: Newton-le-Willows
Florence Ann Cheesbrough - Wife (married 3 years) - 29 (1882) - Assisting in Business - Born: Runcorn
Florence Elsie Cheesbrough - Daughter - 2 (1909) - Born: Newton-le-Willows
Beatrice Cheesbrough - Daughter - 1 (1910) - Born: Newton-le-Willows
Maggie Smith - Servant - 22 (1889) - General Domestic Servant - Born: Appleton

55 Viaduct Street, Earlestown
Nathaniel Siddeley - Head - 40 (1871) - Baker Bread - Born: Earlestown
Alice Siddeley - Wife (married 15 years) - 38 (1873) - Born: Parr
Thomas Siddeley - Son - 13 (1898) - School - Born: Earlestown
Betsy Siddeley - Daughter - 11 (1900) - School - Born: Earlestown
Minnie Siddeley - Daughter - 9 (1902) - Born: Earlestown
Doris Siddeley - Daughter - 7 (1904) - Born: Earlestown
Nathaniel Siddeley - Son - 6 (1905) - Born: Earlestown
Reginald Siddeley - Son - 4 (1907) - Born: Earlestown
Cecil Arthur Siddeley - Son - 2 (1909) - Born: Earlestown

Here's a little bit more detail on Thomas and Florence Ann Cheesbough;

Marriage - October/November/December Quarter 1907 - Prescot Reg. District
Florence Ann BUTTERWORTH to Thomas CHEERBROUGH

A CHEESBROUGH / BUTTERWORTH birth registration;
Births October/November/December Quarter 1912
CHEESBROUGH, Dorothy - Butterworth - Warrington - 8c 339

Thomas, Florence Ann and Beatice are all buried at Park Road Cemetery in Newton-le-Willows. Thomas was buried 13/01/1954, Florence Ann was buried 02/10/1968 and Beatice was buried 14/02/1989. The three family members are all buried in the same plot with the following; John Butterworth, buried 19/05/1917 and Rose E.A. Butterworth buried 25/09/1935.

Hope the above helps.

Best Wishes, Kirsty

[Steven]

Thought you might like to see this, it was posted in the local papers in 1946

Beatrice-Cheesebrough.jpg

Beatrice Cheesebrough and her sister were my neighbours until her accident which afterwards she was taken into a home in Earlestown. My garden backed onto hers, and my children used to pick the apples from her trees, she had many a tale to tell of both her own and her sisters travels and experiences. She was always a very bright and lively lady, keeping a piano in the living room which her sister used to play and she would sing, Beatrice always looked like she was just about to set out to church.

Regards

Steven Dowd

[Oldbiker]

Hi Helen

Not sure what you want to know about Nathanial Siddeley ( or Nat as he was known ). If it was the lad born 1905 I knew him personally as he was my friend's Father. He died in 1982. My friend would be intrigued to know your interest I'm sure. If you give further insight I will try to assist.

Kind Regards

Ian

[Podstar66]

I am sure I saw a couple of Cheesebroughs in the Monumental Inscriptions book for the Congregational Church. But don't quote me on that !

Pod

[Kirsty]

I am sure I saw a couple of Cheesebroughs in the Monumental Inscriptions book for the Congregational Church. But don't quote me on that !

Hi Pod and all,

You're right Pod, you did see the name Cheesbrough. I just checked and found the following;

ROLL OF HONOUR
1914 - 1918 THE GREAT WAR

F. Cheesbrough
W. Cheesbrough

There are no headstones recorded with the name Chees(e)brough but two Cheesbrough's are mentioned on the WW1 Roll of Honour. I've just been on the CWGC to see if I could find any further info on the above two men but didn't find any matches (I tried various spelling variations). However, I just checked Ancestry and found surviving (though badly burned) WW1 service records for a James William Cheesbrough of Rose Cottage, Crow Lane East, Newton-le-Willows. James William's next of kin appears to be his father, a William Cheesbrough - same address (James William is recorded as being unmarried).

That's all from me for now.

Best Wishes, Kirsty

[Podstar66]

Whilst looking through the register of those eligible to vote, for the year 1919 at the library, I came across these Cheesbrough:

James William CHEESBROUGH - 141 Wargrave Road

Eliza CHEESBROUGH - 73 Cross Lane
Thomas CHEESBROUGH

Elizabeth CHEESBROUGH - Rose Cottage ( this is between the numbers 229 and 231 Crow Lane East in the register )
William CHEESBROUGH

Florence Ann CHEESBROUGH - Lilac Cottage ( comes after 246 Crow Lane East in the register )
Thomas CHEESBROUGH

Hope this is of any use to you.

Pod

[Kirsty]

James William CHEESBROUGH - 141 Wargrave Road

Elizabeth CHEESBROUGH - Rose Cottage (this is between the numbers 229 and 231 Crow Lane East in the register)
William CHEESBROUGH

Hi Pod,

It looks like you've found the James William Cheesbrough whoose service records are on Ancestry. It appears that between his enlistment in the army and 1919 he had moved from Rose Cottage to 141 Wargrave Road. Perhaps the William and Elizabeth living at Rose Cottage were his parents.

Tootle-Pip, Kirsty

[ladylooker]

Hello Everyone,
I haven't logged on for a short while & am completely surprised at the fantastic responses to my post. Thank you so much for your time & effort and Steven that article is just fantastic, thank you all ever so much.
Helen

[ladylooker]

Thought you might like to see this, it was posted in the local papers in 1946

Beatrice-Cheesebrough.jpg

Beatrice Cheesebrough and her sister were my neighbours until her accident which afterwards she was taken into a home in Earlestown. My garden backed onto hers, and my children used to pick the apples from her trees, she had many a tale to tell of both her own and her sisters travels and experiences. She was always a very bright and lively lady, keeping a piano in the living room which her sister used to play and she would sing, Beatrice always looked like she was just about to set out to church.

Regards

Steven Dowd

Thank you so much for this Steve, this is just fantastic, you have made someone very happy! I may well be in touch again to ask you some more, if that's ok?

[mike59]

Hi Helen
Not sure if this of interest, or a Family member to you, but I was recently looking at an obituary for my Father-in-Law in the local Newspaper for this area, dated early March 1966. On the same page there was an obituary for a - James William Cheesebrough who passed away about the same time, aged 75, of 297 Wargrave Rd. The service was held at Newton Congregational Church.
If you are interested in more detail of this, let me know.
Mike.

[ladylooker]

Thank you so much for this information Mike, howvever, not entirely sure who this person is, it is however, quite an usual surname, but my Mum was given up for adoption and so not entirely sure of the whole family,

Hi Helen
Not sure if this of interest, or a Family member to you, but I was recently looking at an obituary for my Father-in-Law in the local Newspaper for this area, dated early March 1966. On the same page there was an obituary for a - James William Cheesebrough who passed away about the same time, aged 75, of 297 Wargrave Rd. The service was held at Newton Congregational Church.
If you are interested in more detail of this, let me know.
Mike.

[Walton researcher]

Hi,
I have found two CHEESBROUGH connections in Newton le W. in the 1891 census which may be of interest here?

First of all, Mary Jane CHEESBROUGH fathered several children by Thomas WALTON, flint glass manufacturer and appears in his household on Cross Lane in 1891 as his "housekeeper". For more about Thomas WALTON, see the thread about the West Lancashire Flint Glass Works....
http://newton-le-willows.org/history/vi ... 5&start=60

She first appears in Newton le W. in 1881 (also as WALTON's servant)

Here are the children of Mary J. CHEESBOROUGH (who was born abt 1863 in Castleford, Yorks.) All born in Newton le Willows.
Most of these children were registered with a second given name "Walton" and a surname "CHEESBROUGH" (source, BMD records).
Thomas Herbert Walton CHEESBROUGH, birth registration Jan-Mar 1881, died 1902
Mary Jane Walton CHEESBROUGH, birth registration Oct-Dec 1881, died 1905?
George Walton CHEESBROUGH, birth registration Jul-Sept 1886, died Feb. 1887
George Walton CHEESBROUGH, birth registration Oct-Dec 1887, died ?
Jane Walton CHEESBROUGH, birth registration Jul-Sept 1890, died ?
Hester/Esther Walton CHEESBROUGH, birth registration Jan-Mar 1892, died ?
Richard WALTON, birth registration Oct-Dec 1893, died ?
John WALTON, birth registration Apr-Jun 1895, died ?
William WALTON, born ?, died July 1896.

Their mother Mary J. WALTON (or CHEESEBOROUGH) died 1915, buried in the family plot in Newton Cemetery, Park Road. There's a BMD death registration for Mary Jane WALTON age 48, died Jan-Mar 1915, Warrington District. I just don't know if Thomas ever married Mary Jane. In 1901 after his death, she called herself WALTON and said she was the mother of the remaining children in her care, who all had the surname WALTON by then. But I can't find the marriage.

(For any further details about her, her children or the father, see the West Lancs Flint Glass Works thread, as given above.)

But I have been wondering if she was related to another CHEESBROUGH person, who lived just around the corner from her in 1891, who may have been born in Castleford.
(like Mary Jane above, he also first appears in Newton le W. in 1881 census, increasing the possibility that he's related to her.)

1891 census in Crow Lane:
Thomas HOWARD, H, Widr, 73, Tailor, b. Golborne
William CHEESBROUGH, Son in Law, Mar, 34, Bottlemaker, b. Yorks, Kippax
Elizabeth ditto, dau, Mar, 35, b. Newton le W
Thomas ditto, g.son, 12 (all children born Newton le W)
Sarah P. ditto, g.dau, 9
Benjamin A. ditto, g.son 6
Nellie ditto, g.dau. 4
Frank A. ditto, g.son, 2
Joseph HOWARD, Nephew, S. 22, Blacksmith, b. Newton le W.

Given the rather unusual surname plus the fact that the much later CHEESBROUGH people (20th century) also lived in the Cross Lane/Crow Lane East area, it seems possible that there is a connection?

I would be very interested to hear from anyone who thinks they may be descended from Mary Jane CHEESBROUGH/WALTON because I am writing a book about some pioneering work which Thomas WALTON did during his life.

Regards
Sally

[Walton researcher]

Hi folks,
Looking back over what I wrote yesterday, it seems that the CHEESBROUGHs who were being searched for at the start of this thread were descended from the family of Thomas HOWARD that I listed:

1891 census in Crow Lane:
Thomas HOWARD, H, Widr, 73, Tailor, b. Golborne
William CHEESBROUGH, Son in Law, Mar, 34, Bottlemaker, b. Yorks, Kippax
Elizabeth ditto, dau, Mar, 35, b. Newton le W
Thomas ditto, g.son, 12 (all children born Newton le W)
Sarah P. ditto, g.dau, 9
Benjamin A. ditto, g.son 6
Nellie ditto, g.dau. 4
Frank A. ditto, g.son, 2
Joseph HOWARD, Nephew, S. 22, Blacksmith, b. Newton le W.

It appears that William CHEESBROUGH came down from Yorkshire to work in the bottle works at Newton le Willows, perhaps about 1878, where he met and married Elizabeth HOWARD who was born in Newton le Willows. Their first son Thomas was born about 1879. Thomas CHEESBROUGH appears to be the father of Florence and Beatrice, according to the 1911 census entry which Kirsty posted earlier:

1911 census
14 Wargrave Road, Newton-le-Willows
Thomas Cheesbrough - Head - 32 (1879) - Chip Potato Maker Dealer - Born: Newton-le-Willows
Florence Ann Cheesbrough - Wife (married 3 years) - 29 (1882) - Assisting in Business - Born: Runcorn
Florence Elsie Cheesbrough - Daughter - 2 (1909) - Born: Newton-le-Willows
Beatrice Cheesbrough - Daughter - 1 (1910) - Born: Newton-le-Willows
Maggie Smith - Servant - 22 (1889) - General Domestic Servant - Born: Appleton

It is a guess, but a possibility, that the CHEESBROUGH which I am interested in (Mary Jane CHEESBROUGH, born about 1863 in Castleford?) was a sister or cousin of William. Kippax (where William said he was born) and Castleford (where Mary Jane said she was born) are within 4 miles of each other. If I am correct, Mary Jane would have been about 15 and William about 22. There was a lot of bottle making in Yorkshire at that time and William may have already had some experience there when he heard about the bottle works at Newton le Willows. They may have migrated together.

Mary Jane CHEESBROUGH took a job as a domestic servant, employed by Thomas WALTON, flint glass manufacturer, and eventually married him, having the children I listed before on this thread.
see also
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1395&start=60

If anyone can tell me more, I'd be very pleased to hear from you.

[Derek Foden]

Hello Earlestown,

Living in Australia and having contact with this website I was startled to see reference to the name Cheesbrough. I am of the 1921 era and my best mate was Norman Cheesbrough who lived in Wargrave Road, just past the butcher's shop. For many years Norman and I kept in touch with all the Earlestown news until he passed away last year. I knew his parents who had a shop next to the bakery near Wargrave school.

Regards to All, Derek Foden.